An observation

Sep 19, 2014,08:06 AM
 

After having spoken to a number of ADs in the UK,in Malaysia and in Singapore, I can conclude on the following:

The daily tolerance of the 5277 is +5 -1. The annual production of Breguet is currently a lot higher than the 5,000 pieces it used to produce pre Swatch group. In fact, unlike other brands, Breguet will not release information on the precise numbers but 20,000  is a likely figure.

Most Lange watches have a daily tolerance of +3 -2 (like Patek). The annual production for Lange is 5,000 pieces and they are therefore more exclusive. Their watches are assembled twice unlike other brands to ensure superb quality. Lange is fortunate to be based in Glashutte where wages are lower than in Switzerland or else their watches will be priced even more steeply because a Lange is still relatively good value compared to a Patek and a Vacheron. Each balance cock is hand engraved by one of only 6 engravers (each with his/her own style) making each watch unique.

Speaking to one of the best watchmakers or at least one of the best at finishing watches, Kari Voutilainen, he said that the finishing at Lange is amazing at the price they sell their watches for and apart his own brand, he would wear a Lange or a FP Journe.

Now I will admit that Breguet is at the forefront of watch technology with its use of silicon and the dials are intricate. I believe the Swatch group has adopted a more aggressive approach in their marketing of Breguet by opening many boutiques around the world and reducing the sale of their watches from normal retail outlets. They have also undercut their main rivals by pricing their watches much more favourably. Lucky us then, the collectors and connoisseurs who can now buy watches like the 5277 at under $20k or £13,600.

I have owned a Lange up and down but felt it was a bit large for me at 39mm. I have since sold it as it was not as slim as I am used to. The Breguet at 38mm is slimmer and lighter and to me much more wearable and I hope to purchase it one day. To wind up the Lange with its 72 hours of power reserve on a single barrel (instead of two or more barrels) took me more than 150 rotations which I found excessive. The Breguet with its 96 hour power reserve can be fully wound on fewer rotations (sorry I did not count but it was less than 100). If you look at the movement of both watches though, the quality of the Lange is more apparent than the Breguet.

The above is purely my observation and many of you I know will prefer larger and heavier watches while others may buy a watch which is more exclusive. For me the accuracy, dial, size,weight,history and slimness are all important factors.

 

 

 

 


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Quick look review: Breguet Classique 5277

 
 By: WHL : July 31st, 2014-20:20
A couple of months ago I got a quick look at the new Classique 5277 in rose gold. My first impression was that it is a beautiful watch, and nothing has changed since then. I have also finally gotten the chance to see and take some photographs of the 5277 ...  

Yes, this is a realy nice one, with a sublime case, an exquisite dial and a nice movement.

 
 By: amanico : July 31st, 2014-21:21
A strong competitor to those you mentionned. With an extra touch of " Chic ", in the case of Breguet, I find... Best, Nicolas

Classic and versatile

 
 By: vandyke : August 1st, 2014-20:14
Beautiful dial. Classic looking and keeping to breguets heritage. You will get a lot of use out of it....and I presume a lot of compliments.

Hi Bill, Thanks for this review. Nice piece. Very charming

 
 By: kpk : September 6th, 2014-10:32
and it seems like you get a lot of watch for the money. I do not know the exact price but I assume is in the USD 20 K Range. Maybe its me, but I believe that sometimes the simpler pieces from these top brands are usually the most beautiful. I certainly fe... 

Bill how about doing a comparison of this piece with the Lange

 
 By: kpk : September 7th, 2014-11:19
1815 up/ down? Both have seconds and power reserve.

Good idea....

 
 By: WHL : September 9th, 2014-07:21
only problem is that it is hard to get my hands on Lange watches, and especially that particular model. It is a worthy candidate for anyone looking for a dress watch with power reserve. Bill

Bill, thanks. I was just at a leading watch boutique which

 
 By: kpk : September 10th, 2014-05:46
retails both Lange and Breguet. They had the 1815 up/down. The price is approximately $32K. The sales guy was not to aware of the 5277 and could not find the price from his master price list. He also told me in a very subtle way that the Lange and movemen... 

price ?

 
 By: bobi22 : September 10th, 2014-07:39
the 5277 bb retails at slightly less than $20k just booked mine , pending delivery. could not muster much courage for the 7727 (well over the budget, >2x)

Thanks. Congratulations. This brings me to my question. Both watches have

 
 By: kpk : September 10th, 2014-08:15
Seconds sundial and pr indicator. Both have in-house movements, the Breguet even has silicon and has a guilloche dial. And both brands are equally prestigious. So why is the Lange more expensive by $10-12k?

Retail in USD....

 
 By: WHL : September 10th, 2014-10:46
Compared with the Lange 1815 Up and Down the Breguet feels like a relative bargain at $19,000 in rose gold and $19,500 in white gold. I like the Lange as well, and have nothing bad to say about the brand though that doesn't mean I don't have my own critic... 

According to the salesman, Lange is vastly superior

 
 By: kpk : September 10th, 2014-21:04
to most top brands. I agree with you. Both pieces look nice and both have their pros and cons. But my question is; considering Breguet is a top 5 or top 10 (depending who you ask) brand; why have their priced a piece which has PR indicator; 96 hour PR; Gu... 

Just happened to visit a Breguet boutique. I tried on the

 
 By: kpk : September 11th, 2014-02:29
5277 in both RG anf WG version. This is a beautiful watch, and this is one instance where I prefer the WG version more. And it is very well priced. One gets a lot fo watch for this level of money. This is a piece that I would love to own.

I think that Breguet....

 
 By: WHL : September 11th, 2014-11:50
should be considered in the same class of brands as Vacheron Constantin, Patek Philippe, Lange, and Audemars Piguet. That said, the brand was a bit of a mess when Swatchgroup purchased them and it took some time to clean it up. Pricing has consequently ha... 

An observation

 
 By: sham1 : September 19th, 2014-08:06
After having spoken to a number of ADs in the UK,in Malaysia and in Singapore, I can conclude on the following: The daily tolerance of the 5277 is +5 -1. The annual production of Breguet is currently a lot higher than the 5,000 pieces it used to produce p... 

# of turns

 
 By: bobi22 : December 21st, 2014-21:19
This breguet 5277 winds at about 50 rounds to full PR and is silky smooth. There is also a safety mechanism -- when the PR is full up it does not hit a dead end , but a click to disengage the winding . keeps excellent time though.

and you listen to the Lange salesman

 
 By: watch-er : March 4th, 2015-17:32
because? This Breguet is a beautiful watch. Check out Lange auction numbers while you at it. So much for "vastly superior."

Auctions

 
 By: sham1 : March 6th, 2015-07:10
Basically apart from Patek, most brands no matter how well they are finished or how lovely they look don't do too well at auctions if one were to compare the auction price with the original retail price. Watches depreciate like most other things but I agr... 

Not my favourite

 
 By: ciaca : March 8th, 2015-15:40
I still prefer the ref. 3130/3137 which remains the father of all the power reserve Breguet classical watches and for my taste still the best conceived, by Daniel Roth in the second half of the 80's, inspired by the pocket watch n.5 made by the french mas...  

I love your sytlized photos of the watches on your wrist...

 
 By: WHL : March 9th, 2015-07:15
in this and the surrounding have some of the most iconic models from Breguet's recent past. I am curious to know what pieces from the current catalog are of most interest to you? Bill

glad you appreciate Bill

 
 By: ciaca : March 9th, 2015-15:34
Some time ago i had the opportunity to watch the entire Breguet collection in the company boutique in Wien ad the experience was, in a some way, very frustrating (with my 3130 on the wrist :-) ) There are of course some really interesting pieces in the ve... 

I did not have a long time with the 3137....

 
 By: WHL : March 9th, 2015-19:07
but it was nice while I had it (I actually prefer the more classic finishing on the movement of the 3130 like yours, but this was the one the fates handed to me): Do you like Daniel Roth's work after Breguet (either with his eponymous brand or the Jean Da...  

Beautiful watch

 
 By: ciaca : March 10th, 2015-05:11
I think one of the best works from Daniel Roth. So inspirired! :-) Yes i always look at him with great respect and interest. Perhaps one of the most undervaluated (and pretty forgotten too) swiss masters. His actual tourbillons are heartbreaking to my eys... 

Second-hacking?

 
 By: almapama : February 23rd, 2017-00:10
Bill, I just found your review of the 5277. The watch looks gorgeous. Do you know if the movement has a second-hacking function? Best, Matthias